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Thursday, October 3, 2013

Tracing the Indo-Europeans


As far as I can tell, these videos came online only a few weeks ago. They're from a conference titled "Tracing the Indo-Europeans: Origin and migration", which was held in Copenhagen late last year as part of the Roots of Europe project. I've had a quick look at the selection below, and the impression I get is that the guest speakers would rather eat shards of glass than accept that the Indo-European homeland was in Anatolia (ie. the so called Anatolian hypothesis). Also, interestingly, in the last video, Kristian Kristiansen discusses the possibility that the origin of the Maritime Bell Beaker culture was in the Aegean region, and that it might have been Proto-Celtic. If the sound is too low, use VLC Media Player and crank up the volume.

Adam Hyllested: Indo-European homeland and dispersals: Contemporary linguistic evidence

Guus Kroonen: The linguistic heritage of the European Neolithic: Non-Indo-European words in Germanic

David Anthony: Early Indo-European migrations, economies, and phylogenies

Kristian Kristiansen: Trade, travels and the transmission of cultural change in the Bronze Age

Morten Allentoft: Using ancient DNA to study human evolution and migration

David Anthony: Wheeled vehicles, horses, and Indo-European origins

Kristian Kristiansen: The Bronze Age expansion of Indo-European languages

3 comments:

pconroy said...

A "Maritime Bell Beaker"?? I guess somebody is reading my predictions from Feb 2013...

http://eng.molgen.org/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=877&start=10


1. Mergarh - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mehrgarh - Cattle + Metal culture
2. Northern Fertile Crescent - ancestors of the Assyrians and Alawites
3. By boat to Cyprus
4. Fast boat across the Med, with few stops to Sardinia
5. Then Corsica
6. North to the Ligurian coast
7. Staging ground in Liguria (Celto-Italo-Ligurian speaking area) where they split up
8a. Spread North up the Rhone and into Central Europe
8b. Spread South West into Iberia
8c. Spread South East into Italy

also:
I couldn't find any M222 in Sardinia or anywhere in Southern Europe either.

However if you look at this map of R-L21 (aka R-S1145):
http://compsoc.nuigalway.ie/~dubhthach/ ... poE-CT.png

You can see that R-L21 is most frequent in Ireland, West/North Britain, Brittany and curiously in the coastal Lepontic area - is that a smoking gun, I don't know?! Sardinia or Corsica weren't sampled.

If you look at this map of ancient tribes in Corsica and Sardinia - from here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sardinian_people - there are some names that seem very "Celtic" to me:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Etnie_Nuragiche.jpg

Like:
1. Venicini - Northern Corsica, opposite the Lepontic coast - similar to Venicones in Central Scotland and Venicni of NW Ireland, linked to the Celtic root Veni/Feni
2. Lugudonensi - Northern Sardinia - "Lug" was a major Celtic god, similar to Lugdunensis (aka Lyon) in Central France.
3. Galilesi - South Eastern Sardina - "Gal" similar to Gael/Gall/Gaul etc.


Also, if you believe that the name Sardinia derives from Sherdana, and the Sherdana were one of the main groups in the so called "Sea Peoples", then you have a link between Syria, Cyprus and Sardinia.

Now that's all speculation on my part... but still...

barakobama said...

Did they mention the connection between Y DNa R1a1a1b1 Z283 with Balto Slavic languaes, R1a1a1b2 Z93 with Indo Iranian languages, R1b1a2a1a L11 with Germanic and Italo Celtic languages. And how ancient Y DNA and age estimates and all other types of evidence totally back them up being spread with these Indo European languages. It is about time the Y DNa connections with Indo Europeans are being studied and used by the best experts on Indo Europeans in the world to be used to find out more.

Nirjhar007 said...

Dear Pconroy, have you read the latest post by Giacomo at New Indology?we are discussing linguistics, feel free to join and contribute!
Good Day..