A new dataset has appeared online from a yet to be published paper titled
Cosmopolitanism in the depths of Barbaricum evidenced by archaeogenomic data from the Late Iron Age Goth community of the Masłomęcz group [Update: the paper is now available at this
Link].
Most of these Gothic samples are clearly of Scandinavian origin, and very similar to present-day Swedes. Overall, however, they create a somewhat heterogeneous cluster that also overlaps with present-day Poles thanks to the presence of a few Balto-Slavic-related and possibly Roman-related individuals.
The Principal Component Analysis (PCA) plots below were produced with the excellent
Vahaduo G25 Global Views tool using the data
here.
Their Y-haplogroups more or less reflect the PCA results:
PL046 R-YP6228
PL048 I-PH833
PL049 I-A11537
PL052 R-Y48961
PL059 I-PH833
PL062 I-S15301
PL065 I-Y294193
PL066 R-FGC2555
PL067 R-S7759
PL070 I-CTS10028
PL071 I-BY316
PL076 I-S9318
PL082 I-Z2041
PL085 J-Z38241
PL086 I-FT29339
See also...
Early Slavs from Tribal Period Poland
Wielbark Goths were overwhelmingly of Scandinavian origin
High-resolution stuff
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How could Ukrainian drones fall over Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia if not flying over them to attack Saint-Peterburg??
Do you expelled these puppet countries from EU and nato?
The drones were diverted off course by Russian jamming and flew from Russia into the Baltic states.
https://www.defensenews.com/global/europe/2026/03/27/ukrainian-drones-hit-all-three-baltic-states-did-russia-redirect-them/
I can see that, aside from Davidski, no one here seems to understand that russia currently has nothing left except nuclear blackmail:
It can't stop the war, because the entire economy is now running on it.
But it can't keep going either, since every day more oil refineries are being destroyed, and the people willing to fight on the front lines (cannon fodder) are being wiped out.
The only thing saving putin and russia right now is, in effect, nuclear rhetoric, threats, and blackmail — all these statements about how "sarmat" missiles will soon be in service with practically every battalion.
But this nuclear rhetoric and blackmail is once again working against fascist russia, because the rest of the world understands that they're dealing with a genuine terrorist who is holding hostages — Ukrainians, and really the entire world.
@Gaska
If Russia attacks one or all of the Baltic states, most likely there will be no real consequences for it.
Sure, there will be new sanctions, the usual outrage from European politicians, diplomatic protest notes — but it probably won't go any further than that.
So what's in store for the Baltic countries?
Patriots will be killed. They'll be labeled "neo-Nazis"; maximum propaganda will be deployed against them — both inside Russia and on Twitter by their agents, including useful idiots among Europeans and Americans.
There will be filtration of the population.
To hold onto these new "regions," Russians from various parts of the country will be resettled there, along with migrants from Central Asia.
For propaganda purposes, a couple of streets and buildings (destroyed during the military occupation) will be restored, some fancy high-rise will be built, and every street will be plastered with propaganda posters (featuring the letter Z in Latin script).
In short, the share of native Lithuanians, Estonians, etc. will shrink even further, since most people won't — and don't want to — fight (the value of human life matters more).
As heads of the new Russian federal subjects, they'll appoint some local Russians who have long dreamed of the return of the "Russian world" to these lands, or some Estonian/Latvian/Lithuanian quislings.
And the standard of living and average wages will drop to the level of a typical Russian region — unfortunately, the Baltic states don't have nearly as many natural resources as, say, the Khanty-Mansiysk Autonomous Okrug 😁
Almazny Krai - Yakutia 💎
https://x.com/i/status/2055256716825034931
@ ShomuTepe
ROFl,. Davidski is a muppet when it comes to these matters. You sholdn't even be talking
@ quahadi
Zgadza się! „USA” porzucą Polskę, gdy tylko przestanie być strategicznie użyteczna. Polacy i Słowianie nie powinni ginąć za globalistyczną sektę wojenną z ich marionetką-karłem Zełenskim.
@ Gio
'B'ut in Albanians it is above all downstream R-Z2705, whose MRCA lived 1500 Years ago and samples of 3000 Years ago are in Italy and not in the Balkans (I was the discover of the "Balkan cluster" not "Albanian cluster").''
Indeed, this encapsulates a broader Balkan cluster with a recent TMRCA. I see some Sarmatian-Hun era links from Pannonia. Also 3 new Akbari samples tbd
@Mr Shomu
Come on, man, what you’re describing is a science fiction movie. There are 20,000 NATO troops in the Baltic region waiting for Putin, and listen to me—given the current state of the Russian military, that’s enough to launch a counterattack and occupy Belarus.
Ukraine has 40 million people; the European Union has 10 times more than Ukraine and three times more than Russia. The only concern is the nuclear threat—Putin will have to think twice.
I read a comment from a Polish person complaining that Poland has become Germany’s farm (whether the translator works). There are always fools everywhere; nobody’s perfect, but joining the EU is the best thing the Poles have ever done in their entire history.
@Gaska
The two most advanced armies in the world today are Ukrainian and Russian, simply because they've been fighting each other with drones for the past five years.
NATO armies are outdated, and most would be routed by a Russian army armed with drones.
Only Poland, Finland and the Baltic states have armies that are getting close to what's needed to compete with Russia, but they're not there yet.
So if Russia attacks the Baltic states, it'll most likely lose, but it won't be as easy as you imagine, and most of the work will be done by Poland and Finland. The rest of NATO is kind of shit and won't help much.
@Gaska
but ... 20,000 is a ridiculous number. Russia, without any problems or mass unrest, is destroying 20,000 or more of its own population, and has been doing this for almost five years. And we know that if even the U.S. Army were to lose just 100 people, what a tragedy that would turn into in America — riots and a coup d’état would start there, not to mention European countries, where the value of life is even higher than in the U.S. It seems to me that the Europeans will give up. Perhaps among all Europeans, aside from the Ukrainians, the Poles will resist, but besides them I do not know who else will.
@Gaska
https://x.com/NAFOvoyager/status/2055599525117534546
I tend to think like gaska that europeans should wake up from thier sleep and unite at least for thier children future and i understand rob opinion about the west but russia is even worse then the west , my wife family from north russia and i know many people from ukraine and russia to confirm that both places are shitholes also before the war, i think you should focus unite europeans with europeans and russia goverment far away from it.(they are a big mafia dictators that keep thier people poor ,stupid and isolated). That's why thier partners are china,iran and north koria , i am working with people from china and they are also will sell thier mother and souls to have more money because that's all they think about and care , iran massacre thier own citizens and north koria no need to say much..
The only good thing i can say with my wife family from north russia is that they are farmers and also fishing thier own food , they dont really need any goverment to live , so in the west attitude they are poor because they dont have money to travel around the world but they live as a free independent people , with this i am a little jealous (:
Rob is that you?
https://x.com/GaiJuliCaesar/status/2055753911600914521?s=20
Let's make a new separate post about politics. Or would that be too much?I think there will be enough people willing to speak out.
Nah, a political thread would encourage more pro-Russian trolls to come here.
Most of these trolls are Indians and Nigerians who get paid to post pro-Russian bullshit.
I can't wait till the Russian economy tanks completely. This will put an end to all the Russian troll farms.
Rob will be one of the few pro-Russian trolls doing it for free, for the love of the game.
People like Rob are usually called "useful idiots"
Yes, useful idiots have been a problem since the Soviet times.
These people are such morons that they don't understand that they'd be the first facing the firing squad after a Russian invasion.
@Rob
Zgadza się! „USA” porzucą Polskę, gdy tylko przestanie być strategicznie użyteczna. Polacy i Słowianie nie powinni ginąć za globalistyczną sektę wojenną z ich marionetką-karłem Zełenskim.
No one in Poland with a functioning brain is under any illusions that Trump's America is not trustworthy. Trump is pro-Russian and will sell out Poland to Putin without a second thought.
The fact that Poland and Ukraine want to defend themselves from Russian imperialism has nothing to do with America.
We just don't want Russia in our lives, which is a perfectly reasonable position. You have no valid arguments against this position.
GPT 5.5 is an effective autoresearcher in structural biology!
I've had goal mode running for over 150 hours straight, looking for topologically inspired architectural changes to improve the performance of AlphaFold2.
Performance is strong and improving!
https://x.com/ChrisHayduk/status/2055757345506877759?s=20
@ Davidski
Everything you say about the aversion to Russia naturally has a motivation, which I've summarized as "historical reasons." Fine. It's understandable, if we don't go back to Marx himself, who expected the communist revolution in a country with a strong working class, not in a backward, agricultural country like Russia. But Marx also excluded Russia for historical reasons, namely, its position between the Western world, which was moving toward industrialization, and the horde-based Asian despotism that Russia and part of Europe had known well. And don't forget that China itself had suffered an invasion. Now, I think a reasonable person should think more broadly. Russia, the Russian Federation, or what remains of the Tsarist Empire, is made up of both components, and it would be important to understand that the destructive component in the world today is represented not by the Mongol hordes but by Islam. Now, failing to see this in Poland leads to the absurdity of believing that its interest lies in standing with this Europe, which in reality is CIA/MI6 < MOSSAD, and believing it can save Poland from mass immigration and ultimately from Islamic penetration. And here the ambiguity of Israel and all Jews plays a key role: the ferocious destruction of the Palestinians and possibly Iran, but the "Abraham Pacts" with those who are truly financing the Islamic invasion, namely the Gulf monarchies.
You would need a broader ability to identify the true historical dynamics, and that is why I say that the only salvation for Europe, and therefore also for Poland, lies in Russia's nuclear arsenal.
@Mr Shomu
Obviously, I’m no fortune-teller, and I have no idea how each country in the European Union would react to a Russian attack in the Baltic region, Poland, Romania, Finland, or Spain (just yesterday, NATO warned us that a Russian missile would take 10 minutes to reach Madrid). For now, they don’t dare to attack, among other reasons because things aren’t going well in Ukraine, and I don’t think opening another front would be wise.
Our commitment is to defend our friends in Eastern Europe and we currently have planes and troops in Estonia, do you really think that if our people were killed in a Russian attack, Spain wouldn’t react? This is true for many other European countries as well . Obviously, the burden of defense is determined by geography—meaning that the Poles, Romanians, Finns, and others would have to fight first, but they wouldn’t be alone.
European identity is growing stronger because we see that we have enemies on all sides, and relations with the U.S.—especially after what they’re doing in Greenland, Iran and Ukraine—are getting worse and worse. The Germans are already tired of American tutelage and have realized the mistake regarding energy dependence on Russia, so everything indicates that we will have to fight alone against the whole world. So be it; the time has come to decide whether we want Europe to continue growing or whether we are going to allow ourselves to be destroyed.
We live in a museum, Spain receives 100 million tourists a year including thousands of wealthy Russians who spend their summers at luxury resorts in the Canary Islands and Marbella without a thought for his fellow countrymen who are dying in this shitty war. Perhaps the day will come when the Russian people grow tired of Putin and overthrow the tyrant.
''No one in Poland with a functioning brain is under any illusions that Trump's America is not trustworthy. Trump is pro-Russian and will sell out Poland to Putin without a second thought.''
There is no 'Trump's America', the same amorphous apparatus leads it that always has. Trump is the thuggish clown persona they currently need to shake things up around the World. That is what western critics don't understand - they say 'Trump is abaffoon, he doesn;t know what he;s doing'. But he's doing exactly what he needs to. Trump can say whatever he wants on Twitter/X and PressConferences, but in reality he listens to anoymous men in Black suits.
And this is nothing against everyday Americans, I am just outlining the Realpolitik. Any Westerner with an IQ> 110 knows this, some just remain quiet because 'better the Devil you know'. Why be an internal revolutionary to risk something even worse (China, Russia, Iranian dominance).
https://i.postimg.cc/yVFKpz5L/launchpads.jpg
Estonia is a strategic goldmine for a war against Russia.
You can threaten both Saint Petersburg and Moscow from there.
Honorable mentions to Finland and Latvia but they're more single-purpose compared to Estonia (Finland for Saint Petersburg, Latvia for Moscow).
Gaska many russians dont go to war because they know ukrainian people are not thier enemies, they already know what thier goverment is which is a mafia that dont care about them just like in west europe many start to understand their goverments also dont care about thier countries and still dont do much about it until they will not have other choice
https://x.com/BowesChay/status/2055915447363555352
But literally just before this, Russian drones killed children and civilians in Ukraine, destroyed several apartment buildings. Now let's imagine that instead of Ukraine it was the USA. How would the USA have responded? Or is Ukraine not allowed to take similar retaliatory actions, simply because it's not the USA? Is it not allowed to strike back, just because it's not as powerful, not as large as Russia?
That's roughly the logic of this useful idiot.
Although this could very well be a false flag operation meant to convince the population that the war is necessary (many people are already tired of this ‘special military operation’).
https://x.com/MrshomuTepe/status/2055933760051220615
@ Isz
''Gaska many russians dont go to war because they know ukrainian people are not thier enemies, they already know what thier goverment is which is a mafia that dont care about them just like in west europe many start to understand their goverments also dont care about thier countries and still dont do much about it until they will not have other choice''
It's all a conjob, but the you're all missing the fact that, in this instance. the CIA instigated a coup in Kiev to install a regimen which suppressed Russian identity in the east, with an ultimate aim to invading Russia. Moscow on the other hand had no designs on Paris, Brussels, London or even Warsaw. They have not much to offer anyway.
The pro-EU'toids don't seem to be able to admit this because they are just CIA puppets who have to tow the line.
'' iran massacre thier own citizens and north koria no need to say much..''
Only a dumb person would believe that the the Iranian regiman, as backward as it is, 'killed 30,000 of its citizens' as an excuse for USA & Israel to be greenlighted to actually kill thousands of people in the middle East.
@ Shomu
''useful idiot..useful idiot.''
Davidski's pet monkey has learned a new phrase.
“CIA staged a coup in Kyiv in order to suppress Russian identity...”
But damn it, even now people in Ukraine can speak Russian without any problem; nobody forbids them from speaking any language. There are plenty of Ukrainian media channels that write and speak in Russian.
And anyway, how can you even separate Russian from Ukrainian, when there are so many dialects between the two languages that gradually blend into one another and are found both in Ukraine and in Russia? On top of that, Russians have no problem developing their culture on their own territory; they have more than enough of it. Yet for some reason they went into Ukraine under the pretext of protecting Russian culture.
Everything you write, everything you say, is complete nonsense. They absolutely do not care about Russian culture or the Russian language. The only thing that mattered to them was imperial rhetoric, so they could take full control of Ukraine, its politicians, seize all the southern regions of Ukraine that gave it access to the Black Sea (all the way to Odesa), and possibly even take over all of Ukraine, then Belarus, the Baltic states, northern Kazakhstan, the South Caucasus, and turn them into Yakutia—maximizing the extraction of natural resources, profiting from those territories, and giving back as little of that benefit as possible to the occupied regions.
In short, the phrase “useful idiot” perfectly describes people like you🫵
Rob i am literally working with iranian woman in a factory , also a clinic i am going most of the crew iranian people with families there that only wish thier goverment to fall . I wish you could talk with them online to see reality and not thru youtube videos and other propoganda . Yes i wouldn't trust the intrests america is attacking them but they no doubt massacre any of thier citizens that dont want to be muslim , most of them see themselfs as persians not muslims , i bet you never knew in real life iranians that escape this country .
Also why i think our future is going to be really bad is that people are not objective anymore , there are one group that always afraid to be called racists so they let everybody from really bad countries to invade and there are people who also brainwashed like rob that russia and iran are the good guys that dont have intrests to expand and control because thier only experience with that is thru a computer .
Rob,
There's no difference between Russian patriots and Russian liberals. They all tend to think in terms of a besieged fortress and consider anyone who disagrees with them to be an enemy. Russian society lacks the concept of equal dignity for all people, and this is a common affliction for most Russians. The boss is always right. If the boss orders you executed, nine out of ten will comply, regardless of whether they're patriots or liberals. And you'll never guess who the one person who refuses to shoot you will be.
Macron and Starmer are not charismatic, but at least they don’t send anyone to the slaughter.
Terraced farming in Dagestan has its roots in the Neolithic
https://x.com/TselmesBi/status/2055988060131578205?s=20
@Rob
Are you a commie of some sort?
Only commies get a hard on for Putin like you do.
@ Isz
'Rob i am literally working with iranian woman in a factory , also a clinic i am going most of the crew iranian people with families there that only wish thier goverment to fall .''
That's true. I know lof of Iranians; nice educated bunch. They are all against their regimen. That is their 'diasporoid' view, entirely valid, but based on their own perceptions & greivances. One has to understand how the Khomeini regimen rose to power. And what occurred in the 1970s isn;t a mirror of what is happening today.
@ Dave
“Rob. Are you a commie of some sort?
Only commies get a hard on for Putin like you do.”
No I’m not a communist, if anything I used to be right Centre, but I’m now above all that,
I don’t prescribe to any singular ideology or platform, it doesn’t limits your armamentarium to analyse individual situations. Case in point -your current PTSD on the matter.
And I don’t think I’ve even mentioned Putin, whilst Putin and Zoolenski are all over your Lips. I think you need to slow down, otherwise you might make Arsen jealous.
Dancingfragments , because they brought enough 3 world people that will make it in thier own countries so why sending them ?😆
@Rob
You're a Vatnik.
Vatnik is a political pejorative used in Russia and other post-Soviet states for steadfast jingoistic followers of propaganda from the Russian government.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vatnik
@ Dave
You, who have dedicated the best of your scholarly work to the interpretation of the autosomal recessive, should extend everything you've learned in this regard to the understanding of politics, which requires being able to grasp the "totality" (as much as possible) of every implication. What does the term "communism" mean today? It's just a meaningless label, a vague and all-encompassing concept.
You have published, unlike other times, some of my political posts, but they ultimately concern the philosophy of politics.
In them I said a lot, obviously from my own point of view, and I know full well that every point of view is always necessarily partial. Why did we get to the war between Russia and Ukraine? Behind it lies the entire past history of these countries, but if you don't bring algorithms into play, you risk not understanding anything. I've given you one: Nuland > Kolomoisky > Zelensky. Then, at the base: Bible > diaspora > Greater Israel. And a thousand other algorithms should be taken into account.
I have exchanged hundreds, perhaps thousands, of letters with Isz, and the fact that he brings up his experience with Iranian refugees in Canada is merely a personal matter that cannot become an algorithm, because Iran as a "state" also has a long history, and its various religious beliefs are inevitably determined by it, for example, the genetic relationships spanning thousands of years between the Caucasus and the Zagros Mountains and the Levant. This is also interesting for your autosomal analyses, where there is never a single origin, as in mythical books, be they the Bible or the Koran, but rather an infinite series of variables.
@ Davidski
'Vatnik'. Why are zoolenski worshippers so cringe ?
Reality is, Ive never watched Russian media, whilst you & Arsen have in abundance. haha
@Rob
All these different news links you share here, or that you sent me personally by email, are, quite literally, mostly Russian propaganda, fake news, disinformation, and information warfare.
The thing is, Russia is very strong in information warfare and propaganda, but it still lags behind the U.S. and Western countries, which have reached a new, more sophisticated, but less aggressive form of propaganda.
So in a way, you’re also consuming and spreading Russian media just like we are — you simply do it through the lens of European media, which in this regard is more sophisticated and more cunning.
@ Dancing Fragments
''Macron and Starmer are not charismatic, but at least they don’t send anyone to the slaughter.''
Apart from millions of Ukrainians, and maybe soon other Europeans.
Well, Starmer might be out soon, but a similar square-glassed soyboy will take his place
@ Shomu
''All these different news links you share here, or that you sent me personally by email, are, quite literally, mostly Russian propaganda, fake news, disinformation, and information warfare. The thing is, Russia is very strong in information warfare and propaganda, but it still lags behind the U.S. and Western countries, which have reached a new, more sophisticated, but less aggressive form of propaganda.'
Nobody is email you anything. You cant even read or speak English.
You're telling us that Gorge Beeb, the example I posted above, who is "is director of grand strategy at the Quincy Institute. He spent more than two decades in government as an intelligence analyst, diplomat, and policy advisor, including as director of the CIA’s Russia analysis,'' is propaganda but the 'LatvianBallerinaFella' from Twitter you posted is reliable ?
This is in fact the definition of communism - a retard thinking he has equal currency to a genius. David is a Communist :)
Bronze Age Clay Wheels: Why Were Model Wagons Molded in the Caucasus?
During the Early Bronze Age (4th–3rd millennia BCE), the Kura-Araxes culture spanned the Caucasus, from Dagestan to Eastern Anatolia. Among its artifacts are discoveries that puzzle the untrained eye: ceramic wheel models. Small, crudely molded, with a hole for an axle. Why were they made?
Certainly not as toys. The archaeological context places these models alongside cult figurines and ritual hearth stands. In the Bronze Age, a wheel was not just a mechanical part. It was a symbol of the sun, movement, and the journey to the afterlife. In many Eurasian cultures, a model of a wagon or wheel placed in a burial signified the soul's journey to the next world. Later, in the Trialeti culture (late 3rd to mid-2nd millennia BCE), we find actual wooden wagons in the tombs of the elite. But it all started with these clay models.
Where were they found? In the Northeast Caucasus, they appear in the lower layer of the Serzhen-Yurt settlement in Chechnya (excavations by V.I. Markovin, 1963–1964). In the South Caucasus, they are found at Kura-Araxes sites across Georgia, Armenia, and Azerbaijan. Recently, a whole series of wheel models was discovered at the Zidyan-Kazmalyar settlement in Dagestan (pictured), alongside ceramic figurines, quern-stones, and flint sickle inserts. The context is identical everywhere: these are found in settlements rather than burials, and they are ritual objects rather than everyday household items.
This provides crucial insight into the worldview of the Kura-Araxes people. They were familiar with wheeled transport while simultaneously sacralizing its image. A technological innovation became interwoven with religion. The same phenomenon occurred in the Near East: 3rd-millennium BCE Sumerians placed clay and bronze models of chariots in temples and burials. The Caucasus kept pace—it was part of a shared world where the wheel turned not just on the road, but across the cosmos.
A simple little clay model, found in the hearth ash of a five-thousand-year-old settlement, yet it speaks volumes about an entire layer of ancient beliefs: about the sun, death, and the road to the heavens.
Pictured is a portion of the collection of clay wheel models unearthed at the Early Bronze Age settlement of Zidyan-Kazmalyar in Southern Dagestan.
https://t.me/AskerkhanProDagestan/1278?single
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