It seems like we're getting close to the moment when Iosif Lazaridis has to finally admit that the Proto-Indo-European (PIE) homeland was located in Eastern Europe, and also that the ancestors of the Hittites and other Anatolian speakers entered Anatolia via the Balkans.
Let's discuss.
However, please note that comments from total morons, trolls and/or mentally unstable people will not be approved.
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«Oldest ‹Older 601 – 612 of 612the topic of the comments has changed a lot, which means it's time for a new thread of the post, right? @Davidski
You're right, that's an oversight on my part. I'll get that updated soon. Thanks to you and @EthanR for pointing it out!
@Asega
"We have attested Celtic personal names in Frisii kings and Greek writers referencing the Frisii as a Celtic tribe."
These names are Malorix and Verritus. They can be explained as Germanic as well. Another name is Cruptorix, which can be explained as Germanic as well.
But far more importantly, Lacus Flevo is very much Germanic. It was names after the estuary it flowed into, and that is named with the same root as the word "flow". It still is used for the small straight between the Frisian islands Vleiland and Terschelling: "Het Vlie".
No way the Frisians weren't native Germanic speakers.
I recall seeing inscriptions in Roman Britain that Frisii are identified as Germani and worshipping Germanic gods . But this might be an issue of identity and Roman projection ?
Hi, will you comment on the on the recent Caucasus-Lower Volga (CLV) "discovery", and on the theories on the Greeks and Armenians being directly Yamnaya derived while Corded Ware being through a Yamnaya-related "cousin" ghost population? I would appreciate your recent take on things.
@Odola
Yes, I plan to review the new Lazaridis paper, talk about the CLV cline, and analyze the samples in detail.
I'll probably do a series of blog posts on these topics, and then eventually get in touch with the authors of the paper about my findings.
I'm not yet sure if my feedback will be positive or negative overall.
Great Davidski, I'll be looking for your posts!
Great, looking forward to it. Your blogs always clarify a lot to me. Thanks!
@Davidski Do you know if these papers are open access anywhere? I'm positive about Proto-Indo-European being adopted together with herding from the 'Caucasus-Volga cline'. What I'd be interested in finding out is how specific R1 hunter-gatherer clades (R1b-Z2103, R-PF7562, R1b-L151, R1a-Z282 and R1a-Z93) separately adopted this new culture in different areas. The same issue happens in Afro-asiatic where R-Y78447, a sub-clade of R-V88) adopted herding and an Afro-asoiatic language (proto-Egyptian, Berber and Chad) - a clade descended also from Ukrainian hunter-gatheres.
The Lazaridis paper should be available for free at the Reich Lab website.
@Ned
What I'd be interested in finding out is how specific R1 hunter-gatherer clades (R1b-Z2103, R-PF7562, R1b-L151, R1a-Z282 and R1a-Z93) separately adopted this new culture in different areas.
This is a surprisingly naive comment.
There's no reason to believe that these R1 clades were present in different areas, rather than all of them, or at least most of them, being present together in the PIE homeland.
During and/or after the PIE expansions, each of these clades experienced massive founder effects, making it look like Indo-European languages arrived in areas where they were already common.
@Davidski thankyou for the Reich pointer and please ignore the comment I sent before which has not been published. I did not make the best of sense. I thought it surprising not that those various clades came from the same area (Ukraine) but they all ended up in different areas (R1b-Z2103 in the Dnieper steppe, R-PF7562 in the Balkans, R1b-L151 in the far western steppe, R1a-Z282 and R1a-Z93 both in the Eastern Steppe, and R-Y78447 in North Africa. The first five all generated branches of I-E and the last a branch of Afro-asiatic.
I do understand the founder effect however cattle-herding is group task and to begin herding you need to get a herd, probably by stealth (they didn't catch a new herd because all cows are descended from only 80 individual Auroxen).
I suspect the answer is that the hunter-gatherers are likely to have been matricilocal or bilocal whilst cattleherders will have been patrilineal and that each of these six herd-thefts was done by bands of brothers.
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