Wednesday, December 4, 2024
The PIE homeland controversy: December 2024 open thread
It seems like we're getting close to the moment when Iosif Lazaridis has to finally admit that the Proto-Indo-European (PIE) homeland was located in Eastern Europe, and also that the ancestors of the Hittites and other Anatolian speakers entered Anatolia via the Balkans.
Let's discuss.
However, please note that comments from total morons, trolls and/or mentally unstable people will not be approved.
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«Oldest ‹Older 601 – 610 of 610I just went back to the first table in the supplement to check, but I’m not seeing one. Do you have a sample ID in mind?
Fair point, I might do another version along those lines
@Mr Funk
Hello! I apologize for not being able to respond to your messages over the past few days, as I have been busy. You can reach me via email at this address: yqz386@gmail.com
>I assume you are also the author of old versions of ancient g25?
Yes, that's correct.
>in your list Russia_Nalchik_E.SG:nalchik2023 is the same NL122?
Yes, it's simply that the first one is a more "recent and updated" version of the latter.
>for example, your two Polish samples are visible in the wrong place at the wrong time
When assigning labels, dates, or coverage, I follow the information provided in the Allen Ancient DNA Resource (AADR) from the David Reich Lab. The unusual behavior of these two samples (MAZ001 and MAZ003) is likely due to contamination, as indicated by the label. In the dataset, the "Group ID" is listed as "Poland_Magdalenian_contam.AG," the location is "Maszycka (Lesser Poland Voivodeship, Powiat Wielicki)," and the full date range is given as "16636-16234 calBCE" and "13804-13407 calBCE," with the dating method being "Direct: IntCal20." Additionally, under the "ASSESSMENT" table, both samples are marked as "CRITICAL."
@William Anderson
Thank you very much for the detailed answer
@Hurrian Fan
I think he means KTL005:
https://discover.familytreedna.com/y-dna/R-BY15339/tree
the topic of the comments has changed a lot, which means it's time for a new thread of the post, right? @Davidski
@EthanR, thx. Yes KTL005, proto V1636, the Arslantepe and Gaziantep are also under this KTL005 clade. And also both Progress samples. BY15339 should be included in V1636 map, change the header as BY15339/V1636 @Hurrian
You're right, that's an oversight on my part. I'll get that updated soon. Thanks to you and @EthanR for pointing it out!
@Asega
"We have attested Celtic personal names in Frisii kings and Greek writers referencing the Frisii as a Celtic tribe."
These names are Malorix and Verritus. They can be explained as Germanic as well. Another name is Cruptorix, which can be explained as Germanic as well.
But far more importantly, Lacus Flevo is very much Germanic. It was names after the estuary it flowed into, and that is named with the same root as the word "flow". It still is used for the small straight between the Frisian islands Vleiland and Terschelling: "Het Vlie".
No way the Frisians weren't native Germanic speakers.
I recall seeing inscriptions in Roman Britain that Frisii are identified as Germani and worshipping Germanic gods . But this might be an issue of identity and Roman projection ?
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